Author  Topic: How, where, when and WHY? --The sinister death of Laci Peterson eyewitness, Vivian Mitchell.
justice4mitchell
How, where, when and WHY?  
« on: 02/12/04 at 16:47:48 »
If Laci Peterson was murdered on December 23rd, why did it take the police so long to arrest Scott?

How was Laci murdered?

Where was Laci murdered?

Why was Laci murdered?

Was Vivian Mitchell murdered?

Does anybody know anything about the murder of Laci Peterson?

Clearly, if you don't know how, where, when or why, you have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA !
Bottom line is that there is absolutely no evidence to convict Scott Peterson, and if he is lynched as he probably will be, it will be an absolute and inexcusable miscarriage of justice.
know-it-all #1



   
Re: How, where, when and WHY?  
« Reply #1 on: 02/12/04 at 16:51:45 »


on 02/12/04 at 16:47:48, justice4mitchell wrote:
Was Vivian Mitchell murdered?


Why is this even a question? I thought she died of natural causes?
justice4mitchell
Re: How, where, when and WHY?  
« Reply #2 on: 02/12/04 at 18:23:09 »
The irony is, when Mrs. Mitchell was alive, everybody ridiculed Mr. Mitchell because they misrepresented his claim that he was flipping through the TV guide on Christmas Eve, [that was transformed into the false claim that Mr. Mitchell had said that he was watching football on Christmas Eve, to make it appear that Mrs. Mitchell was mistaken about having seen Laci on Christmas Eve] and now that Mrs. Mitchell is dead, everybody is quoting Mr. Mitchell, for claiming that his wife died of natural causes.

Make up your mind, will ya? Is Mr. Mitchell senile, or does he know what he is talking about?

The simple truth is that Mrs. Mitchell spotted Laci when Scott had allegedly killed her, and the corrupt authorities (especially Candace DeLong) fraudulently claimed that it was another pregnant woman who looked exactly like Laci and who had a dog that loooked exactly like Mackenzie. LMAO

Despite this self-righteous overkill, they never showed the pictures of the women who allegedly looked "just like Laci" -why not?

Words are as cheep as they are, and as cheap as the lives of reliable witnesses.

know-it-all #2
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« Reply #3 on: 02/12/04 at 21:57:55 »
Um, there's a big difference between remembering what you were watching on a specific day and knowing how your wife of several decades died. It's not something you can be mistaken about. "Well, Mr Mitchell, are you sure it was a stroke? Are you sure it wasn't a gunshot to the head? Are you sure you're not just mistaken? Are you sure your memory is intact? "

No, no. She died of natural causes.

Dude, you're seriously going off the deep end with this whole Vivian Mitchell thing. The people around here believe that she had valuable testimony (the ones who believe he is innocent, anyway), but speculating that she was murdered to silence that testimony is just absurd.
justice4mitchell
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« Reply #4 on: 02/13/04 at 04:08:25 »
The wilful blindless that is responsible for "proving" that Scott murdered Laci dictated the death of Mrs. Mitchell.

If that is not called murder, it is because we need a law to deny demagogues the opportunity to pervert justice more than once.
know-it-all #3
Re: How, where, when and WHY?  
« Reply #5 on: 02/13/04 at 04:21:03 »


on 02/13/04 at 04:08:25, justice4mitchell wrote:
The wilful blindless that is responsible for "proving" that Scott murdered Laci dictated the death of Mrs. Mitchell.

If that is not called murder, it is because we need a law to deny demagogues the opportunity to pervert justice more than once.


Justice, what evidence do you have to back up what you say?  Are you just assuming that the stress of being rejected by the LE brought on her death?  Isn't that quite an assumption to make.  How do you know that how much this affected her?  

I personally don't think her testimony, or loss of it, is what is going to break this case.  It's Conner's age that is going to do it.  
justice4mitchell
Re: How, where, when and WHY?  
« Reply #6 on: 02/13/04 at 04:29:08 »
Get real will you. If you believe that Scott Peterson is innocent, the bodies of Laci and son did not magically surface, they were planted.

Anybody who would do something like that, would not hesitate to deal with the obstacles that Nancy Grace identifies, on national television.

In my opinion, if you are not suspicious about the death of Vivian Mitchell, you do not understand the "case" against Scott Peterson.
justice4mitchell
Re: How, where, when and WHY?  
« Reply #12 on: 02/13/04 at 09:40:56 »


on 02/13/04 at 07:19:34, know-it-all #3:
2 points about the Westerfield case. 1) there was solid forensic evidence to convict Westerfield -- no such thing exists in Scott's case. 2) Westerfield's attorneys asked for a plea bargain -- his life in exchange for the body. That seems pretty darn incriminating to me. How could he tell them where the body was?


I don't know much about the Westerfield case, so I can't say, but I do agree that Vivian Mitchell was more important than "dating" Conner. I say that because if our legal system gave Conner the weight he deserved, Scott Peterson would not be in prison in the first place.

Scott is in prison despite the fact that the police cannot even prove "where", "when", "how" and "why" and I think that in itself is outrageous.

In that context, Vivian Mitchell was prime evidence.
know-it-all #3
Re: How, where, when and WHY?  
« Reply #13 on: 02/13/04 at 09:45:23 »


on 02/13/04 at 09:40:56, justice4mitchell wrote:
I don't know much about the Westerfield case, so I can't say, but I do agree that Vivian Mitchell was more important than "dating" Conner. I say that because if our legal system gave Conner the weight he deserved, Scott Peterson would not be in prison in the first place.

Scott is in prison despite the fact that the police cannot even prove "where", "when", "how" and "why" and I think that in itself is outrageous.

In that context, Vivian Mitchell was prime evidence.


Sorry, but I disagree.  Vivian Mitchell may well have seen Laci on the morning of the 24th, but Campos is a more convincing eye witness than Mitchell.  Besides, if Connor was still alive and growing when Scott Peterson left his home that morning -- no eye witnesses are necessary, nothing else is necessary -- Scott couldn't have done it.  Brocchini admitted that in the Prelim.
justice4mitchell
Re: How, where, when and WHY?  
« Reply #14 on: 02/13/04 at 09:51:11 »


on 02/13/04 at 09:45:23, know-it-all #3:
Sorry, but I disagree. Vivian Mitchell may well have seen Laci on the morning of the 24th, but Campos is a more convincing eye witness than Mitchell. Besides, if Connor was still alive and growing when Scott Peterson left his home that morning -- no eye witnesses are necessary, nothing else is necessary -- Scott couldn't have done it. Brocchini admitted that in the Prelim.


I firmly believe that Conner was alive and growing, but I also know that duelling experts obscure the facts, which is why I do not think that in this case, there is anything more compelling than a live witness to confirm the points we agree on.

I believe that justice is about fighting fire with fire to protect innocent victims, and in this particular case, in my opinion, Vivian Mitchell has been burned.
know-it-all #3
 Re: How, where, when and WHY?  
« Reply #15 on: 02/13/04 at 10:36:04 »
Justice, are you related to Vivian or something?
justice4mitchell
   
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« Reply #16 on: 02/13/04 at 10:56:33 »
Vivian Mitchell was a key witness in a murder trial that should not even exist, are you trying to obscure this fact, or something?
know-it-all #3
Re: How, where, when and WHY?  
« Reply #17 on: 02/13/04 at 12:02:18 »


on 02/13/04 at 10:56:33, justice4mitchell wrote:
Vivian Mitchell was a key witness in a murder trial that should not even exist, are you trying to obscure this fact, or something?


Justice, no one here is trying to obscure anything, except you.  You are so personal about Vivian Mitchell.  Any reasonable person would wonder if you are a relative.
justice4mitchell
Re: How, where, when and WHY?  
« Reply #18 on: 02/13/04 at 13:15:45 »


on 02/12/04 at 21:57:55, know-it-all #4:
Um, there's a big difference between remembering what you were watching on a specific day and knowing how your wife of several decades died. It's not something you can be mistaken about. "Well, Mr Mitchell, are you sure it was a stroke? Are you sure it wasn't a gunshot to the head? Are you sure you're not just mistaken? Are you sure your memory is intact?"

No, no. She died of natural causes.

Dude, you're seriously going off the deep end with this whole Vivian Mitchell thing. The people around here believe that she had valuable testimony (the ones who believe he is innocent, anyway), but speculating that she was murdered to silence that testimony is just absurd.


I wouldn't exactly call that reasonable.
know-it-all #4
Re: How, where, when and WHY?  
« Reply #19 on: 02/13/04 at 16:14:44 »
And that's the difference between you and me, justice. I simply don't see a connection between the death of a 79-year-old woman and a theoretical conspiracy to frame Scott Peterson.
justice4mitchell
Re: How, where, when and WHY?  
« Reply #20 on: 02/13/04 at 16:36:37 »
And I would feel exactly the way you do, if the DA was not promoting an implausible theory.
know-it-all #4
Re: How, where, when and WHY?  
« Reply #21 on: 02/13/04 at 17:53:23 »
Of COURSE the theory is implausible, but again, how does that mean she was murdered?
justice4mitchell
Re: How, where, when and WHY?  
« Reply #22 on: 02/13/04 at 18:39:21 »
The only way to promote an implausible theory is to destroy the truth, piece by piece, and Vivian Mitchell was one of the pieces.
know-it-all #5
Re: How, where, when and WHY?  
« Reply #23 on: 02/13/04 at 19:25:16 »

on 02/13/04 at 18:39:21, justice4mitchell wrote:
The only way to promote an implausible theory is to destroy the truth, piece by piece, and Vivian Mitchell was one of the pieces.


Justice, When are you going to get it through you mind that Vivian Mitchell died as an elderly person dies. No one murdered her, she died! If you have evidence of the latter, we all want to know exactly what proof you have. Please supply it for me....I really want to see what it is you have to offer.  You can't just come in here and start barking about Vivian Mitchell's justice....WE NEED PROOF.  If you have none, call it a day and keep the topic on Scott, Laci and Conner.
know-it-all #6
Re: How, where, when and WHY?  
« Reply #24 on: 02/14/04 at 01:41:28 »


on 02/13/04 at 19:25:16, know-it-all #5:
Justice, When are you going to get it through you mind that Vivian Mitchell died as an elderly person dies. No one murdered her, she died! If you have evidence of the latter, we all want to know exactly what proof you have. Please supply it for me....I really want to see what it is you have to offer. You can't just come in here and start barking about Vivian Mitchell's justice....WE NEED PROOF. If you have none, call it a day and keep the topic on Scott, Laci and Conner.



Steven, Thank You Sincerely! You are a voice of reason in this, "all too horrific time".
justice4mitchell
Re: How, where, when and WHY?  
« Reply #25 on: 02/14/04 at 05:35:38 »


on 02/13/04 at 19:25:16, know-it-all #5:
Justice, When are you going to get it through you mind that Vivian Mitchell died as an elderly person dies. No one murdered her, she died! If you have evidence of the latter, we all want to know exactly what proof you have. Please supply it for me....I really want to see what it is you have to offer.  You can't just come in here and start barking about Vivian Mitchell's justice....WE NEED PROOF.  If you have none, call it a day and keep the topic on Scott, Laci and Conner.


That is exactly what I am doing. I am keeping the topic on Laci and Conner. The fact of the matter is, this trial is no longer about Scott Peterson. This trial is about getting away with the murder of Laci, Conner and Vivian Mitchell.

In my opinion, the death of a key witness fundamentally changes everything, and I don't think that it is reasonable not to be suspicious about the death of Vivian Mitchell.
know-it-all #5
Re: How, where, when and WHY?  
« Reply #26 on: 02/14/04 at 07:12:56 »


on 02/14/04 at 05:35:38, justice4mitchell wrote:
That is exactly what I am doing. I am keeping the topic on Laci and Conner. The fact of the matter is, this trial is no longer about Scott Peterson. This trial is about getting away with the murder of Laci, Conner and Vivian Mitchell.

In my opinion, the death of a key witness fundamentally changes everything, and I don't think that it is reasonable not to be suspicious about the death of Vivian Mitchell.


I disagree entirely.  If Vivian Mitchell was 18-50 years old, I may raise an eyebrow. She was almost 80, man. Because she was a key witness does not mean that stops time from moving forward and old people die of old age and/or natural causes. Obviously, it was her time to go and the good man took her.  Now, if her death was even the slightest of a suspicion, the Rochas, petersons, MG could have made a motion to the court for an autopsy.  Of course, her husband could of requested a complete autopsy on her, which was not done because there was no need for it.

This trial is about Scott Peterson.  God Bless Laci and Conner!!! But, now, this is his life on the line here and that is what needs focus.  There are many other parts of this mystery to prove Mr. Peterson is guilty or not guilty.
justice4mitchell
Re: How, where, when and WHY?  
« Reply #27 on: 02/14/04 at 07:56:15 »
You are entitled to your opinion but I absolutely do not agree with you. I think, the deaths of Laci Peterson, Conner and Vivian Mitchell are now joined at the hip, because in my opinion, they are equally mysterious.

The suggestion that Vivian Mitchell's death is not suspicious because she was old is preposterous. Tell that to a healthy 80 year old who looks destined to survive 90.

The only way you can convinvce me that the death of Vivian Mitchell is not suspicious is if Scott Peterson is released and the police begin to look for the people who murdered Laci and Conner. If or until that happens, in my opinion, there is every reason to believe that Vivian Mitchell was murdered, and not a single reason to doubt it.

I am not trying to be argumentative. I am merely stating what I believe, and pointing out that your efforts to change my mind have been fickle and futile, and they will continue to be so, as long as every semblance of reason is slaughtered, in the case against Scott Peterson.

Did Vivian Mitchell have a history of heart disease?